My rant on the U.S. school system: F
Yesterday was the three year anniversary of being with the MyBB Team. It has been a great learning experience thus far and I have learned so much more being on the team-in terms of collaberation, project management, communication, and programming practices- that any standard school class could not have even gotten close to teaching. Today, I find myself in a position where I must refocus my learning to school itself instead of something “real world” like being a manager of a successful online software.
The problem
Our school system sucks. Plain and simple. Expectations are so high, and students are being pushed so hard these day that it is now, more then ever before, about beating the system then actually sitting down and doing and honest days learning. Face it, do any of you remember half the things that are taught to you in high school? Let me give you an example, to put it in perspective.
When I took Algebra 2 during high school, I would routinely not understand a word problem, or a formula. I would ask my friends, whom had already taken the Algebra 2 course and went on into math analysis or above. I asked four of those friends at random, the same question. Three of those four friends didn’t know what to do what-so-ever and the fourth had to correct himself twice before he got it right. Mind you, these are students who had already taken the Algebrea 2 course. Can you answer it, without looking up how to do it?
“The Student Senate consists of 6 seniors, 5 juniors, 4 soppomores, and 3 freshmen. How many different committees of exactly 3 senisor, 3 juniors, 4 sophomores, and no freshmen can be chosen?”
If you did that right you should have used the nCr combination theorem. It should work out as the following:
= 6C3 X 5C3 X 4C4 X 3C0
= (6!/3!3!) X (5!/2!3!) X (4!/0!4!) X (3!/3!0!)
= ((6X5X4)/(3X2X1)) X ((5X4)/(2X1)) X (1) X (1)
=20 X 10 X 1 X 1
= 200
So, were you honestly able to do that without using some sort of help?
For most of you, the answer is no. We students remember the lessons until the test, then we forgot about them, repeat that until the semester is over, generally don’t do so well of the midterm or final, and scrape by. For those of us who are not so lucky in managing to scrape by, we take summer school, and that solves everything.
Teachers
Teachers are a huge apart of what a student actually learns long-term and the grade we get in our classes. There are some really good teachers out there, but I’d say the majority are just “okay” with the last few being “bad”.
I’d classify teachers under the following categories:
A great teacher is smart, understands students and gets them “involved” with the lessons via projects, partner collaboration, music, and movie clips, does not give out “busy work”, does not have random mood swings [and if they do, tells the class they're not up for being silly that day, or likewise], and creates a comfortable environment in the class.
A good teacher is smart, only has average communication and collaboration skills, has periodic random mood swings [without justification or being forthright], gives out a small amount of “busy work”, piles up a lot of homework without respecting or considering what other prearrangement’s and events students might have.
A bad teacher is sufficient in the subject they teach, but has bad grammar or bad English such as that students have a hard time understanding the teacher, gives out homework without teaching the lesson, spends considerable time during class doing nothing and the class doing nothing productive, blames the class for “being behind”, gives tests that take longer then the amount of time during that period and always has to curve tests because they are too hard (and are not AP classes), and is unable to understand and help students figure out problems in the very own lesson they are supposed to teach.
Summer School
It is general knowledge [the same view is shared by many teachers as well] that summer school is where you come to when you fail a class, sit on your tush for several weeks, and pass the class. At our school [information that has directly been shared by teachers to students] we have P.E. teachers, during summer school, teaching Algebra 2 and math analysis classes.
No one expects a student to go into a class and spend that amount of time and come out and have actually learned something. In addition, laws, reform acts, and rising pressure on the schools to put out numbers and statistics that show a high amount of passing students and students that pass state tests create this problem where teachers teach to strict and boring guidelines. Everyone becomes so antsy about the tests that we forget how students actually learn and we train them with a piece of paper and a pencil, to soak up information until the test, and then we squeeze them dry to restart for the next semester. Students learn if something is “memorable.” For example, why would I ever need to know the order and the names of all of our Presidents? The simple answer is, I have a higher chance of dying in a car crash then ever using that information in all my life for a real purpose. Something I would remember though, is how an electric circuit works because that directly relates to many things around me in my life.
SAT & Subject Tests
Everyone in California takes the SAT and SAT Subject Tests as it is one of the main criteria for being accepted into a college. The funny thing is, it’s not even really a test of your knowledge. When I took the Practice SAT, I did not even have close to enough time to finish all the questions in the sections, as it is timed. I understand they do not want people just sitting there all day, but I like to read through things a couple times to make sure I understand what it is that they are asking on the question. In my area of expertise, if I screw up one character, everything can go to hell.
So what now? Hm, oh look. SAT Training courses! So great, now because I paid with my arm and a leg, I can pass up everyone else on the SAT test because now I’ve been drilled so much on how to take a test, I can get a much better score.
Wait just a second now. So now, the reason I could be accepted to a college is because I was able to take a test faster then the other person? What kind of bull!@#$ reason is that? What is the whole point of colleges? To prepare us to work in the “real world” environment, right? So now, because I can take a test really fast I can now go to college, get a degree, and get a good job, where at I would never ever have to take a test fast in the rest of my entire life? In addition, is it not our very own teachers telling us to take our time so we don’t miss something?
And yet, after all of those issues aren’t we still churning out successful people? People whom are successful not because of how fast they can take a test or if they know Abraham Lincoln’s birthday, but instead if they can sit down and do what needs to be done for a specific position in a company. Sounds pretty straightforward to me.
We have all of this mold building on top of this bubble wrapped, gilded, waxed, tummy-tuckedĀ school system and its starting to smell.
Mgccl said,
“were you honestly able to do that without using some sort of help?”
Yes.
Ok, maybe because I care about math…
Asking anyone else in my school “No” will be the answer.
US system sucks?
Well yeah, US system does suck…
but can you find a school system better than US’s? currently, I didn’t find any.
See what I found really interesting is…you believe
“Expectations are so high!!!”
uhhh…
no…
I find US education system sucks for exact opposite reasons…
Expectations are so…LOW…
I don’t know what your expectations are…
I have been to Australia and China… compare to them… US’s course work IS A JOKE… expectation? another JOKE…
I see the point that not many people remember stuff taught in high school. I don’t either xD.
I cram for the finals a day before the test and ace it…
I did that for some AP tests too.
See, the point for a education that EVERYONE can have is to produce people who are smart enough to be useful to the society, nothing more. So really, there isn’t anything hard. This is true for US.
It’s also true for Australia, so those two systems are about the same level, but Australia learns a lot more deep stuff….
In China, it’s different. The point for high school education is to get into a good college. That’s why the expectation would be a lot higher in China. In my opnion, it is too high…
I got over confident with my success in pwn high school courses. and try to learn some REAL university level courses.
Fail…
in university(at least… good ones…) The expectation will be WAY higher than high school. Completely 2 different level. Look at “Introduction to Algorithms”(MIT open course), after watching some lectures, all I can go is “WHAT?”, and I’m suppose to be good in math and computer science.
If you are complaining now… how do you think you can get though uni?
Really, if one put in the effort, everything is easy.
About learning
School don’t care about if you learn or not, that’s not their problem, it’s your own. They provide a place to teach, the teaching might suck, but if you care enough, you will learn.
About getting into a good college.
those SAT and ACT tests are there for a reason…
not because “someone do it faster wins”
it is “someone do it fast and correct wins”
If one cares enough, they will go though the effort to study for those tests.
Yes, people who study for those tests generally does better.
and those tests have no real use other than getting into college.
It also do some filtering…
these people will be filtered out from the college:
1. one who doesn’t care enough to study for those tests
2. one who does care for those tests but think the current system is flawed and chose to not follow it.
3. people who studied and still suck.
Well, to be fair..
I too, complain about high school…
Mostly because I’m learning things I don’t want to learn. I’m currently in composition class, and it’s HELL for me.
I found I’m way more productive to do things I like.
Everything comes with a cost, I chose to study things I like and never do homework, my GPA suffers greatly. I chose to study olympiad level math instead of SAT. Ultimately leading me getting into Stony Brook and not any good schools.
It’s not the system sucks. If I excel in those areas, I too will get into good colleges. The fact is, it is much harder to excel in those specific areas than just do homework, get good GPA and do good on the SATs.
Its not the fault of the system…
College don’t need people who are just good with math/physics/programming/w/e…
College need people who will do well academically, or expectional(national to international level honor) in a field. good enough not good enough. If you are the founder or very important person of a large enough project, say… Debian… college will like you. If not. College don’t need the real life things you do, because it doesn’t benefit them.
Ryan Gordon said,
You bring up some good points.
These days, not going to college is like considered as an epic failure to you, your life, your family, etc and we’re pushed so hard to get there. The problem is we still need people to work at McDonald’s and other places like that. If everyone were to go to college then we would have a bunch of smart people flopping burgers.
The point is, it should be considered economically/mentally OK to not know everything there is to know in the world and have a college degree just to be considered well.
We _need_ people flipping burgers just as badly as nuclear physicists.
Mgccl said,
Some peoples’ value system is skewed, that’s why they think people with college degrees are better.
Many people believe higher degree one have, the more successful and useful a person is. Like my parents, who become really happy because I said I want to get a ph.d in CS or math.
I don’t have any statistics on this. But I do believe people with higher degrees are better off simply because of supply and demand.
Flip burgers are a easy job because of the low entrance requirement.
High school students can do it, too…
That’s why older people don’t work in fast food restaurants. Young people can take their jobs for lower pay. Getting a job taking away once in a while isn’t too nice.
I agree with there is no need to know everything in the world. A person only need to know enough for him to do his job and do it well.
College degree doesn’t automatically making a person more brilliant than people without college degree. Most courses one ever learn in college can be completed in a fractional of time. Effort plays a much more important role in one’s brilliance.
btw what college are you aiming for?
Ryan Gordon said,
I’ll probably be aiming for a Computer Science degree in a UC in California. I haven’t narrowed down my list past that too terribly much but I should have a really good idea within the next few months.
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